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today. when news breaks out we'll break in because breaking news changes everything on fox news channel. the dow is down on concerns for russia and ukraine. continuing coverage next. what's up, doc? when it comes to this ebola scare it depends on the doc. >> viruses can undergo mute addition and mutate to a norville unit form. >> but it's hard to catch and if you're really upset about the possibility of have major outbreak in the united states, you should really just relax. take a deep breath and worry about getting hit bay car because you have a lot higher probability of that. >> the chance is always there it could become airborne virus. >> may be more lethal. this outbreak in africa is being more difficult to control than previous outbreaks. >> chill, baby, chill. >> chill, baby, chill.
confused? today we have tried to sort it all out. you decide whether you should freak out. welcome everybody, i'm neil cavuto. depending on who you talk to ebola is either a media sensation or mannedkind's dam nation. maybe that's that's problem. even the experts are not on the same page. growing signs health officials here not taking chances, the cdc issuing an alert for ebola. nigerian officials trying to track down 70 people who came in contact with patrick sawyer. so far only 27 have been found. the rest could be anywhere. which is why some experts fear ebola could be just a plane ride from coming here. our doctor says it's time to think about banning all flights from the affected countries. a a lot of people say that creates panic. >> i do think that creates sort
of an air of chaos. we're going to be shutting our borders, and let's keep in mind, even if we stop the flights from west africa, we can't be 100% certain that there's full containment. i think that people need to think about this virus in the context of a history of communable diseases. we can't safeguard 100%. there was an interesting case of a virus infected woman in 2008, something called the marbeg virus, closely related to ebola. they treated this woman in the hospital and 200 people were exposed and never got sick. so, these are people that -- healthcare workes takenning care of her. that illustrates how difficult it is to actually be exposed to and get sick from this virus unless you are intimately involved with that particular patient. >> can your exposure be quiet for a long time and in ebola's case for a very long time other.
>> we call that they incue base period. >> what's that i was going to say. >> for the from the time stomachs start, eight to ten days and up to 21 days. which is of course obviousesly unsettling for people. so it's in that period of time when someone is not exhibiting symptoms, they're not considered contagious. they start having symptoms, starts off as flu-like, malaise, and aches, muscle aches and pains pains and then can evolve into the more ominous signs and symptoms such as liver problems, kidney problems. >> at that point before the symptoms are obvious and palpable, is anything about them contagious? >> once you start exhibiting symptoms, even if it's just fever, you're theoretically contagious. but we talk about badly fluids and you need to have diarrhea,
you need to vomit on somebody. somebody needs to get your bodily fluid into your mouth or noses -- >> you did this last time and grossed me out. >> it would take a leap for most people to get it airborne. >> correct. >> dr. carson's argument when he was here, diseases, viruses, they can mutate. >> they can. they can. >> how likely here? >> viruses mutating to become re sis stan -- what was his point. >> more easily susceptible to people getting it. >> i don't think that is the main concern. i think we should focus more on the attention that is being brought to the two -- dr. kent bradley and nancy writebol who received the experimental therapy. that showed incredible promise. giving then ann body --
antibodied formed in mice. they respond already. that where our focus needs to be rather than this concern about, as we talked before the segment, this contagion type of atmosphere which i don't think will happen in this country in most western industrialized countries, we practice universal precautions to avoid the spread of communicable diseasize would you have brought these folks from africa here? >> absolutely. hopeful in isolation for diseases that can be transmitted to other people. >> you're very calming. i feel better. to washington lawmakers holding a rare recess hearing today amid fears the ebola outbreak is far from over. >> it requires meticulous attention to detail if you leave behind even a single burning ember, like a forest favor, it flares back up. one contact not traced, each
lapse can result in another chain of transmission and another flare of the outbreak. >> off of this as two more ebola infected patients expected to arrive from liberia-ground zero. where two americans are already been treated with experimental drugs. dr. steven moore says it's time to fasttrack these drugs. doctor, these drugs available, what do they do? >> well, there's several. one is an antibody combination so the idea there is to knock out the virus, to really eliminate the virus by introducing antibodies that can attach to the virus and we say neutralize it, kill it. that is probably most useful earlier in insection. -- infection. we haven't used it much. was used on these two volunteers brought back to atlanta, but we really don't have a track
record, but it's promising in animal experts. there are a couple of other approaches being tried, including a fairly general kind of antiviral agent that might be very interesting, and another one using a small nucleic acid that is supposed to prevent the virus from being able to reproduce. >> the two in atlanta who presumably are getting this on an experimental basis, any noted improvement or progress? >> they appear to be doing very well, especially the first -- he got his own volition, and i think we were all very impressed by that. i think that miss writebol is perhaps coming along more slowly, but i'm very cautiously optimistic. so, it may be that it was the results of that serum, that
antibody combination that was given to them and this is made in tobacco plants, actually, which makes it particularly interesting. but we don't know that because it's a small number of people. obviously larger studies need to be done. >> doctor, know this has not been approved by the fda yet so they're being treats on an experimental basis. how are things like that decided? i know when patients of various sorts are given the option to try an experimental drug, they sign waivers and note the risks and acknowledge the risks. how is that decided and how are they dispensed? >> in the united states, and in europe, there are agencies, the fda is the one here -- and first after perhaps some animal experiments to get an idea of how it's working, first there are clinical trials for safety, in a relatively small group of
healthy volunteers. and then you try to test it for efficacy. is it really going to work? and it's important to know that because you want to know how toite effectively. we don't know what dose is necessary here. what dose is appropriate. so there's still a lot 0 -- to learn about it. so normally this is a two-step process before the fda approves it based on the data from these clinical trials. the volunteers you mentioned are in clinical trials where these drugs are being tested. >> what is your gut on this whole ebola situation and how bad it gets, how stable it gets? >> well, in africa, i think it has been a surprise. first of all, although the virus has been there since at least 2006, probably longer, we have not had an outbreak like this before, and this is the largest ebola outbreak on record. i think that with proper
infection control, as we have heard from other doctors, with proper infection control, it can be contained, and if you work fast enough and are able to identify the patients quickly enough, put them into isolation, and prevent them, obviously, from coming in contact with others, then i think it's quite possible to contain it. and obviously there was a delay, i think, in initially identifying these patients. part of that may have been because there's another disease which was actually the inspiration for the andromeda strain before ebola, that is in this area, it's less fatal but quite similar. it's a hemorrhagic fever. so i'm surprised that in this area, they were not able to contain ebola more quickly. and some of it may have been they hadn't seen ebola and
thought it was lhasa fever, which is easier to deal with. hopefully people have a higher level of eye wareness and will now be able to contain it and do the proper things more effectively. but it's going to take quite a while and it does require meticulous infection control process. it doesn't spread outside the closed contact environment, so it's no danger to people living in the same town. >> interesting. thank you very, very much, and for you folks as home we'll continue talking to very smart people. those are who not too alarmed, those a little more alarmed. we'll give you both sides and you can weigh it all. did you hear the one about a california town that said no to opening a detention facility for illegals? now they aclu may be suing, not
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we are 125 years the city. we have embraced diversity and half of our 150,000 residents are hispanic. we embrace immigration. i am a proud immigrant coming to this country because of the accomplish the freedom, but the aclu is stepping their boundaries to interfere with local go. we have two issues here. the issue of the detention facility which the planning commission has denied based on land use issues. now, the aclu is dragging this issue to immigration. but anyway, we are -- my history with the aclu is they are targeting our city, and we are going to stand for our rights, our liberty, our sovereignty. it's a local issue and the aclu needs to leave the city alone
and let us do our things to protect our city. we have a mobile obligation to the existing residents. we have about 70,000 hispanic residents in our city. we need to help them realize the american dream. we need to help them be prosperous. have a better life for their families. but to have more illegal immigrants in our city is a problem for the entire community. >> what do you think, mayor, what the aclu seems to be siding on here is more with the illegals and whether you're providing rights to them than to residents in your own town who have decided that, for a variety of reasons, they didn't want this built? >> you would expect that the aclu would defend the citizens of the country, but they are not in 2006, they have sued the city because we passed an ordinance to ban rentals for illegal immigrants, and they sued the city and brought in the federal government.
so we need to defend ourselves. i'm a proud immigrant coming to this country for the values, for the liberty, for the freedom, and i see myself fighting the aclu because they are trying to attack these values that america stands for. so, we're going to defend ourselves. we're not going to be intimidated by the aclu because we need to fulfill our obligation to our residents, to our seniors, to our hispanic community in escondido and the aclu noose business interfering with the land use decision. it is our government. it's the local government that needs to make that determination. >> mayor, thank you very, very much. strongly spoke your mind wimp appreciate -- mind. we appreciated that. >> picture this playing out in states as schools brace for 50,000 illegal kids in the classrooms in a couple weeks. steve morris morrison, said look at the bills.
>> i'm in favor of legal immigration. i think most legal immigrants pay their own way in terms of paying more in taxes than they use in services. what makes people angry here is these are illegal immigrants, they're coming into communities that are already in tough financial situations, and so i did some of the math. assuming the number is right, 50,000 kids coming in illegally, if these local communities have to educate them, we're talking about, by my calculations, a billion dollars a year. that is a cost on these local communities -- >> talking about all 50,000 spread across the country. >> that's a big cost. >> you know these communes are being told, we're going to sort this out and -- >> yeah. first of all i think the federal government should pay those communities back. it's a failure of the federal government in enforcing the borders, so why should the local -- >> but the history is local communities do even after compensation by the federal government. >> that's why a lot of these
communities are very skeptical they'll get compensation from the federal government. people in these communities are accepting people bus it fair to put the cost on the back of someone who lives -- these are middle class communities and can't afford it. >> the billion dollar figure -- >> that's for just one year. >> now, the argument you hear against worrying too much about that, is that in a year they'll be gone. >> we'll see. that is a big question mark. whether they'll be gone. by the way, if they stay here, and they're here for ten years and then they become americans, we'll get some of that money back, obviously, as they become workers and taxpayers. but this isn't the right way to do it. it's that simple. not the right way for these people to come in. it's unfair to put these costs on the backs of local residents, many of these towns, by the way, in california and texas and arizona, they're already financially squeezed. already can't pay for the roads -- >> to put it mildly.
>> they're asking, where are we going to get the money? they're looking to washington, and where is washington? >> washington doesn't have the money. can get it printed but they don't have the money. >> steve moore, thank you. >> at ease, soldiers. it's now the law of the land that finally you vets are going to get a helping hand. why does this va whistleblower insist you're getting more like a finger?
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mike emanuel is in d.c. >> this is a $16.5 billion bipartisan compromise designed to start tackling the problems at the va. in his remarks president obama noted the new law makes it easier to hold people accountable. >> if you engage in an unethical practice, if you cover up a serious problem, you should be fired. period. shouldn't be that difficult. [applause] publish >> and, if you blow the whistle on an unethical practice, you should be thanked. >> house veterans affairs chairman jeff miller i-you'd a statement hoping this would be more than a photo op saying, quote, instead it should serve as a wakeup call. va's problems festers because administration officials denied the department's challenges. veterans groups call the new law
an important first step but say veterans must keep the heat on washington officials to do even more, and there will be more work ahead to make sure changes in this law are implemented. >> this bill hases a series of provisions that we now need to make sure are enacted, are acted upon, that the money is spent wisely and properly, the doctors are brought in, the veterans get their healthcare they need. >> meanwhile, fox news, through a freedom of information request, learned from va records that president obama and then-sect eric shinseki met at two january cabinet meetings this year. their only private meeting during the va scandal was may 30th. that was the day shinseki resigned. >> thank you very much. now, to the va whistleblower scott davis, who says the law is a good first crack, but there are lot of serious cracks. scott, what do you mean? i'm thinking what the president had to say about if you're not
doing your job or you're screwing up you should be fired immediately. and whistle-blowers like yourself should be thanked and not marginalized. what did you think of that? >> as i said before i applaud the congress for coming up with a bipartisan resolution, and the president's comments today were encouraging, to be fair. but as someone who has a background in being a va outreach specialist, i am concerned about aspects of the law that seem not be clear, and that is in particular, what -- how are veterans going to get this outside care? who is coming up with the standards for the 30 days in terms of how we track it, and is there going to be transparency. we're in this situation because we couldn't trust the numbers from va. now veterans once again have to depend on va to do the right thing to be honest about the
numbers, before they can get outside care, and i just want to say one thing really quickly. is that veterans are still going to be the first group responsible for the payment of these bills if the law is not enforced correctly. >> so what does that mean? if you're a vet and you're going to a crowded facility, and they had a procedure in place that would allow you in a priority fashion to get care elsewhere but you're saying they have not butonned that one down and sounds like it's going to lead to more confusion. >> exactly. it can be very confusing. for example, i'm a veteran, i get this card, i'll get to go to an external hospital clinic, physician, what have you. want happens when va says, maybe that veteran should not have been covered for that service? or what if the physician says, i
have had payment issues with the program before. then the veteran is stuck will -- with the bill. and we have to think this out and think this through. we need to say, should we just not give veterans a blanket health care where they can go to the private sector, period, and do it for a normal traditional channel, like a private healthcare company. >> scott, what about this idea you can fire nonperforming or lousy performing va workers. how real do you think that will be and when first implemented, how successful? >> i think it's going to be rocky. when i look at the new law, i look at the passage that says, okay, we can now fire bad executives. then i look at another section of the law that says, we're going to give responsibility for many of these new access to healthcare programs to the chief
business office, which is being reviewed right now for contract violations. so, now we're going to trust the office that has contract violations to come up with contracts with private health care organizations to implement this new open access for va employees. so i think in one area it says we can fire bad people, but then we're also in one area empowering bad people. so i'm cautiously optimistic but i have concerns, like many veteran service organizations, i have concerns. >> fingers crossed, scott, thank you as always and for your service. scott davis. putin. playing a little trade tit-for-tat-ski. all in about a minute-30.
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from us, canada, australia, norway, and the whole damn european union. so what do we do it? tony schaffer says we hang tough. that's what we do. colonel, always good having you. obviously they say that the best defense is a good offense, and he is practicing it. what do we do? >> well, to use the food metaphor, itself smells like a cold war, tastes like a cold war, it's probably cold war, and you're seeing essentially a tit-for-tat, literally, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. we have to take serious the other ramifications regarding the economic issues which president obama is trying but very badly trying to implement regarding damaging the russian state. europeans are heavily dependent on their gas and fuel, and right now, simply put, they're challenging us militarily across
the board. they have had 16 incursions of 95 bombers over the past ten days. a dozen battalions on the border between russia and the ukraine. and simply put, putin is playing a long game, economic, sanctions, military, their all on the table, and me president is treating it like -- his comments were, didn't have to be like this, treating it as a bad breakup with a college sweetheart rather than dealing with a thug. >> to your point he is building troops along the ukrainian border and is preparing for something or sabre rattling and is not blinking in the face of sanctions which lack the teeth you think they should, given the fact that energy is almost left completely out of this. russia's lifeblood. where is this going? >> well, where it should go is this. we need to do several things to show that we have our head in the game. first, i would like to your
point of energy, let's come up with a lend-lease act for energy to bail europeans oust if they need it. approve the xr pipeline. look at this as a true global challenge, and then militarily, return of force to germany 0, to show if we have the return of forces -- not saying we want to but we can. it's all about showing resolve, though we have not left the battle space. putin is a thug and will continue to push until someone says, enough is enough, we're going to stand up to you. and again, he is going for the long game here. he wants to re-instill the old soviet union. i'd say he wants to instill the old russian empire -- >> what is to stop him? the fact of the matter is that russian markets are higher now than when all of this started. the ruble is hire than it was when this started, and he feels the europeans are blinking because they're more sensitive to him than he is to them. >> right. >> so he is off and running. >> he is and, that's what i'm saying. we need to look -- fight fire
with fire. this is a joke. putin almost had a sense of hmmor like he did this. you're really facting me. let's ban food. let's be see you're, put the sixth fleet into the black sea. or, again, look out how we can do economic contingency plan for the allies allies and the britid do the most damage. a lot of banking is done in london with the russian banks so we have to look at this from, how can we be effective? some of what the president has done is just for show. there's nobody out there willing to do anything to slow him down. >> all in the sanctions-how much teeth they have and how much pain we can absorb. colonel, thank you, always a pressure. >> thank you for having me. >> this is why our judge is so thin. could you eat while the president is stuffing the constitution back in your face?
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american people don't want me just standing around twiddling my thumbs and waiting for dong -- congress to get something done. >> not twiddling his thumbs put the judge things the president is all thumbs when it comes to the constitution. and, judge, you say he just up ted the law. >> i'm afraid the president will exercise his disdiscretion about what laws to enforce and not to enforce in such a way as to
change their meaning entirely so that he is basically rewriting the law and has done that either witnessingly or unwittingly with immigration. put aside your views of immigration, whether we should have open borders or a law. he took on oath to uphold the law and the law is there are 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the united states of america and he must do something about it. if he says to them, i'm going to tell you how to break the law and stay here illegally, he is doing the opposite of what he took an oath to do. the statement you just ran which he gave yesterday, is yet another threat to tinker with the laws in such a way that people will be told houston to get away with breaking -- how to get away with breaking them. >> if he delays deportations for millions millions of illegals who are here -- that just the talk -- what do republicans do? >> impeach him. i know that has odeus connotations but filing a lawsuit will be thrown out of
court and laughed out of court. the remedy for this type of behavior, which causes the law to right there in the constitution. >> what if that is what he wants them to do, to turn the polls -- imago,. >> impeachment requires a political jump, judicial judgment. legally, there's plenty of ground. the cia has been spying on the at some. if the knew, that's impeachable. if dent know, they incompetence, both grounds for inpeople. it's a political judgment now as to whether or not they want to do this. >> do you ever get a sense -- i know you're map of the law and don't care about politics -- it's almost as if the democrats goad republicans into this and try to push their buttons and say we're going to do this and that regarding illegal immigration. >> the impeachment of bill clinton was a disaster. legally, constitutionally and politically. from this view of history, it
was for nonsense, for nothing and shouldn't have been done, and they suffered losses in both houses of congress for it. this is very serious. this president claims he can kill people. this president claims he can spy on everybody. this president uses his agents to spy on the congress. this president twists twists ann the meanings of law so they have the opposite of that which is intended. i can make a very strong case fence him for his lawlessness and incompetence, but filing a lawsuit most respect any dish have a lot of friends in the house of representatives who are behind this -- it's a joke and will be thrown out of court and the judge will say, your remedy is right here. >> i think it's up likely. so we go back to the more pressing issues like rick perry and the national guard troops. >> rick perry's behavior at the border is heroic and has the vast support of texans and
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need a little workout after getting worked um. porn surfing government employee can now hit the gym after they're done doing other stuff. that is because two federal agencies are spending $450,000 on state-of-the-art gyms to boost worker morale. i thought we were hard up for cash. allison barber, joining us now. what's going on here? >> this is a piece by one of our
reporters, and what she found is that two branches of dhs, tsa and i.c.e. are purchasing gym memberrerships for employees. the i.c.e. contract is interesting because it isn't for agents like you would think it would be for. it's for employees and their office of acquisition so it's a procurement office. desk jobs, and purchase guns and ammos and computers, but in july i.c.e. put out a contract that was for -- they purchased 236 gym memberships for employees in that office, and it's for a specific gym in d.c., vita fitness, and one in a hotel. a very specific location that they have, and it's a high-end gym and not cheap. i.c.e. estimates it's going to cost $400,000 for gym memberships, $200,000 per year. >> you look at this, seems to be a waste of money. how do they explain spending
upwards of 450 grand on this? >> they're kind of two reasons and one reason is there's an agency-wide health and wellness program that man dates employees have to have access or memberships to heldclub facilities and the reason why i.c.e. and this d.c. office chose this one gym is because they said that this wases a critical requirement that the facility their employees get to use be within one-tenth distance of their office and they can walk it to and doesn't cut in on their official duties and they can go during their lunch break, so it is an agency-wide program, a health and wellness program, and they mandate you have access or membership for healthclub facilities. >> we found out about some federal workers on porn site-others walking their dog on government time or just heading
home. it's not a good p.r. week for government. >> fitness is support but this is particularly -- >> thing gym seems excessive. seems a bit over the top, particularly when it is employees thatter having desk jobs. so if they're working on gucks and ammo, why spend $200,000 a year on. >> time is money so work out in your suit. >> great reporting and great coverage as always. allison barber. did bank of america just pay the world's biggest fine or, or, the worldest biggest bribe? i can't decide. charlie gasperino has.
it will cost bank of america to get the government off its back. ironically, they're paying for the sins of the firm that the government strong-armed them into buying during the meltdown. charlie gasparino says this doesn't smell right. what do you think of this? >> i'm more traumatized by your workout video than -- >> you could learn a thing or two, my not so fit friend. >> i'll say this. this follows the pattern of the obama administration throughout this entire post-financial crisis. i guess enforcement on the part of the banks. often the banks that are getting dinged with huge fines, like jpmorgan, they have little to do with their core business. the businesses in the -- but the businesses of what they took over in the financial crisis, which was in many ways aided and abetted by the government. i can tell you this, jpmorgan
wasp prompted to buy bair stearns by the government. the government liked it. so bank of america was doing good stuff for the government while they bought these two firms, and now they're getting hit as if they were -- >> where does this money go, charlie? in the case of bank of america, where does it go? >> the cash portion will go to the u.s. treasury. the relief stuff, that's what goes allegedly to consumers. that means forgiveness on loans, maybe lower credit card bills, who knows. that's basically how it's broken down. the cash will go right to the u.s. treasury. the other stuff goes to the -- allegedly to the consumer. it also goes to, i think, worse behavior, one of the problems of the financial crisis is consumers didn't believe in reality. they thought if you could make $100,000 a year you deserved a
$1 million home. flfs a suspension of disbelief, making it easier for people to own homes without, you know, what we used to do, which is put down 20%, take out a 30-year mortgage. >> do you think it could ever happen again, charlie? >> because of this stuff, of course. this is encouraging the same bad behavior. i hate to say it, if you can't afford your house, you probably should lose it, because it sets a precedent. the precedent is that people go back and think, well, i'm going to spend my money more wisely than in the past. we bailed out the banks and consumers. i'm not for any of the bailouts. when you establish moral hazard, no consequence to your bad actions, that means it's going to happen again and again and again. and we should start right now by ending the notion of moral hazard and stop the giveaways. it's ridiculous. but the consumer advocates always make the point, if you bail out the banks, why shouldn't you bail out the consumers. >> see you at the gym. >> i'm your personal trainer
now. me and richard will be your personal trainer. >> there you go. charlie gasparino, the best around, done, end of story. we're going to be exploring this whether the banks are only deemed at the center. my memory is there are other sinners. hello, everyone. i'm andrea, along with bob, dana and greg. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." does president obama has a clue as to what americans want from him? well, he thinks he does. >> the american people want to see action. i promise you the american people don't want me to just standing around twid dling my thumbs and waiting for congress to get something done. i'll have to make choices. that's what i was elected to do. >> but the president might want to stop ignoring his abysmal poll numbers. a new survey shows americans are more fed up with him